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  • Originally posted by Maddog View Post
    2012 Camaro LT V6, manual trans.
    3780 lbs
    323 HP
    (Source: https://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/ca...eatures-specs/)

    I believe the weight & HP is the same for 2012 to 2015 in the V6.
    Put it in ccdb with PI of 65.5 in GT3. With driver weight, it will be in GT4.

    JohnP

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    • Please Add
      2018 VW golf GTI automatic, weight 3128 lbs
      its the same specs as the 2015+ Vw gti
      performance listed with the added weight.

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      • 2018 Golf GTi is in ccdb. 220 hp, 3128 lbs, DSG Auto transmission, Handling Index is 50. Performance Index is 62.2 in GT4.

        JohnP

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        • Hi gang, long time! Looking forward to seeing everyone (from 2+ M lol) this Sunday!

          New toy, please add: 2019 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 GTS 7MT, steel brakes, no PASM/SPASM/RWS. No mods whatsoever, stock as the day she was built.

          Very excited!
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          • Hi Stigma,

            Please provide more info. The 2019, 911 came as a 991 version (2012-2019) and 992 version (2019+). Which is yours? What is horsepower, torque, Curb weight? Is it a Dual Clutch?

            What is PASM, SPASM, RWS?

            JohnP

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            • It's a 991.2 series, Carrera 4 GTS coupe, 7 speed manual (3-pedal, single clutch, old-school).

              Factory specs, rear-mounted, horizontally opposed
              6-cyl
              w/twin turbos, 450 HP @ 6500 rpm, 405 lb-ft peak torque, curb weight 1,495 KG.

              Here is a link to the factory spec page for this model https://www.porsche.com/canada/en/mo...turesandspecs/.

              The acronyms are factory suspension upgrades; PASM = Porsche Active Suspension Management, RWS = rear wheel steering, etc. Everything's an acronym in Stuttgart! Anyway, I have none of these performance options, nor do I have the ceramic brake upgrade (PCCB). Car has only the minimum performance equipment that comes standard with the model (and that's plenty!) but figured these items may factor in to classification.

              Thanks John!

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              • Avi, Your 911 is in ccdb base car list. JohnP

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                • Thanks John! Wow, SGT2 base class, it just got warmer in here, I better bring it on Sunday lol. Only 5 more sleeps, can't wait!
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                  • I sent this in an e-mail but didn't see a response, so I'll try here as well.

                    Can I ask for a reclassification on the Evo X? 65 for the GSR and 70
                    for the MR seems overly punitive for a car that really isn't that fast
                    in the corners. 60 for the GSR, 65 for the MR seems like a more
                    appropriate classification.

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                    • Originally posted by souledge View Post
                      I sent this in an e-mail but didn't see a response, so I'll try here as well.

                      Can I ask for a reclassification on the Evo X? 65 for the GSR and 70
                      for the MR seems overly punitive for a car that really isn't that fast
                      in the corners. 60 for the GSR, 65 for the MR seems like a more
                      appropriate classification.
                      Hi Souledge,

                      Tough to find track data on the Evo X GSR but here's what I've dug up so far:

                      https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ancer-evo-gsr/
                      They compare the 2011 Nissan 370Z against the 2011 Mitsubishi Evo GSR and the Evo beats out the 370Z on track time by just 0.8s. The 370Z classes higher than the GSR but within the same class (74.2 vs 72.7 respectively).

                      https://www.motortrend.com/cars/mits...i-evolution-x/
                      2008 Evo GSR vs 2008 WRX STi. Evo wins at Buttonwillow Raceway East loop by 1s on same driver. STi classes at 72.6 versus GSR at 71.8 overall.

                      Do you have any data to show the GSR classing is off relative to something in its class? We've been using public data from magazines and such for this.
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                      • I came across this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwAIb4Zz9Y

                        It shows Dave Pratte doing 1:22.89 in a modded FR-S. When I put the FR-S in the CCDB, 2013, add points for ECU tune, coilover shocks, coilover springs and presumably an alignment, with a 1 lb driver, I get 71.8 for the FR-S.

                        I went to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whGU7NY3Gsk

                        That one has Dave lapping TMP in the Evo X MR.

                        Doing the same for a stock 2011 Evo X MR, 1 lb driver weight, 0 points since stock car, I get 72.7 for the Evo X MR. Dave sets a lap time of 1:22.99. The Evo X MR has almost 1 PI more than the FR-S, but laps a tenth slower.

                        Just curious what the Evo X MR would be if the HI was 65? 71.2 PI? If so, that's not within the realm of possibility.

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                        • Originally posted by souledge View Post
                          I came across this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwAIb4Zz9Y

                          It shows Dave Pratte doing 1:22.89 in a modded FR-S. When I put the FR-S in the CCDB, 2013, add points for ECU tune, coilover shocks, coilover springs and presumably an alignment, with a 1 lb driver, I get 71.8 for the FR-S.

                          I went to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whGU7NY3Gsk

                          That one has Dave lapping TMP in the Evo X MR.

                          Doing the same for a stock 2011 Evo X MR, 1 lb driver weight, 0 points since stock car, I get 72.7 for the Evo X MR. Dave sets a lap time of 1:22.99. The Evo X MR has almost 1 PI more than the FR-S, but laps a tenth slower.

                          Just curious what the Evo X MR would be if the HI was 65? 71.2 PI? If so, that's not within the realm of possibility.
                          The FRS was running on AD08Rs which are considered "track tires" or "extreme performance summers" similar to say RS4s or RE71Rs and since it was AutoGuide who acquired the Evo X and reviewed it, it was likely press spec which means it came with whatever the showroom puts on (read: summer tires at best). So not surprised the FRS beats the Evo. Seems reasonable to me?
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                          • For any cross comparisons, a realistic driver weight should be used as it skews the power to weight ratio differently for high hp and low hp cars.
                            2010 to 2013 OTA competitor with a Honda, Ford, and a BMW.

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                            • Originally posted by LemonJus View Post

                              The FRS was running on AD08Rs which are considered "track tires" or "extreme performance summers" similar to say RS4s or RE71Rs and since it was AutoGuide who acquired the Evo X and reviewed it, it was likely press spec which means it came with whatever the showroom puts on (read: summer tires at best). So not surprised the FRS beats the Evo. Seems reasonable to me?
                              I'd bet with just a tire swap the Evo is at least a full second faster.

                              Originally posted by souledge View Post
                              I came across this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwAIb4Zz9Y

                              It shows Dave Pratte doing 1:22.89 in a modded FR-S. When I put the FR-S in the CCDB, 2013, add points for ECU tune, coilover shocks, coilover springs and presumably an alignment, with a 1 lb driver, I get 71.8 for the FR-S.

                              I went to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whGU7NY3Gsk

                              That one has Dave lapping TMP in the Evo X MR.

                              Doing the same for a stock 2011 Evo X MR, 1 lb driver weight, 0 points since stock car, I get 72.7 for the Evo X MR. Dave sets a lap time of 1:22.99. The Evo X MR has almost 1 PI more than the FR-S, but laps a tenth slower.

                              Just curious what the Evo X MR would be if the HI was 65? 71.2 PI? If so, that's not within the realm of possibility.
                              Unless it was shot on the same day, under the same conditions, there's far too many variables to accurately compare like that.

                              Keep in mind that the expected lap time improvement for a full class (5 PI) is about 1.5 seconds at TMP. The expected difference between the two PI's you list would be about 0.27 seconds. Put the evo on comparable tires and it'll easily be more than double that faster.

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                              • Hey guys!

                                Ian from wscc time attack here. Can you please add the 2019 Porsche 911 gt3 rs to the car list. We have on coming out this weekend Iand in trying to find a class for him.


                                The engine makes 514 hp

                                Has a dual clutch transmission.

                                Car weight is 3153 pounds

                                I imagine it handles "like a Porsche " on steroids haha


                                Thanks!!!
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