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  • Maddog
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    Looking for classification on the 2017+ Hyundai Elantra Sport 1.6T sedan, 6-spd manual, but it's also available with a 7-spd DCT if that makes a difference. Neither model has a LSD unfortunately.

    6-spd manual
    3042 lbs
    201 HP

    7-spd DCT
    3109 lbs
    201 HP

    Specs here; https://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/elan...eatures-specs/

    Thanks.

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  • WSCCtimeattack
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    Hey guys. We have a new competitor running a 2017 dodge viper acr extreme.

    It make 645 bhp and only weighs 3395 pounds. Plus the aero package is absolutely nuts. I've heard it makes 2000 pounds of downforce!

    Can we get a proper class for this?

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  • T-car Integra
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    Got it. Thx. There are small weight differences between these different models.I think the CCDB base values reflect these.

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  • John P
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    Just put 1996 Civic CX Hatch in ccdb.

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  • T-car Integra
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    Requesting: please add to the base list 1996 Honda Civic hatchback CX. Thx

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  • T-car Integra
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    Sorry, never mind . It's there already. 1996-1998 are the same.

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  • T-car Integra
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    Please confirm whether base car listing for 1996 Honda Civic DX hatchback will be the same as the 1998 model (already listed in CC DB)? If not please add to the list. Thanks.

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  • LemonJus
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    Originally posted by WSCCtimeattack View Post
    Hey guys!

    Ian from wscc time attack here. Can you please add the 2019 Porsche 911 gt3 rs to the car list. We have on coming out this weekend Iand in trying to find a class for him.


    The engine makes 514 hp

    Has a dual clutch transmission.

    Car weight is 3153 pounds

    I imagine it handles "like a Porsche " on steroids haha


    Thanks!!!
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    Hi there Ian,

    I think the 2019 Porsche 911 GT3 RS is already there. I can see it when I create a new car and it's on the drop down menu - with the PDK option as well.

    Cheers.

    Kevin

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  • WSCCtimeattack
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    Hey guys!

    Ian from wscc time attack here. Can you please add the 2019 Porsche 911 gt3 rs to the car list. We have on coming out this weekend Iand in trying to find a class for him.


    The engine makes 514 hp

    Has a dual clutch transmission.

    Car weight is 3153 pounds

    I imagine it handles "like a Porsche " on steroids haha


    Thanks!!!
    ​​​​​​​

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  • wparsons
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    Originally posted by LemonJus View Post

    The FRS was running on AD08Rs which are considered "track tires" or "extreme performance summers" similar to say RS4s or RE71Rs and since it was AutoGuide who acquired the Evo X and reviewed it, it was likely press spec which means it came with whatever the showroom puts on (read: summer tires at best). So not surprised the FRS beats the Evo. Seems reasonable to me?
    I'd bet with just a tire swap the Evo is at least a full second faster.

    Originally posted by souledge View Post
    I came across this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwAIb4Zz9Y

    It shows Dave Pratte doing 1:22.89 in a modded FR-S. When I put the FR-S in the CCDB, 2013, add points for ECU tune, coilover shocks, coilover springs and presumably an alignment, with a 1 lb driver, I get 71.8 for the FR-S.

    I went to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whGU7NY3Gsk

    That one has Dave lapping TMP in the Evo X MR.

    Doing the same for a stock 2011 Evo X MR, 1 lb driver weight, 0 points since stock car, I get 72.7 for the Evo X MR. Dave sets a lap time of 1:22.99. The Evo X MR has almost 1 PI more than the FR-S, but laps a tenth slower.

    Just curious what the Evo X MR would be if the HI was 65? 71.2 PI? If so, that's not within the realm of possibility.
    Unless it was shot on the same day, under the same conditions, there's far too many variables to accurately compare like that.

    Keep in mind that the expected lap time improvement for a full class (5 PI) is about 1.5 seconds at TMP. The expected difference between the two PI's you list would be about 0.27 seconds. Put the evo on comparable tires and it'll easily be more than double that faster.

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  • Ujjwal
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    For any cross comparisons, a realistic driver weight should be used as it skews the power to weight ratio differently for high hp and low hp cars.

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  • LemonJus
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    Originally posted by souledge View Post
    I came across this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwAIb4Zz9Y

    It shows Dave Pratte doing 1:22.89 in a modded FR-S. When I put the FR-S in the CCDB, 2013, add points for ECU tune, coilover shocks, coilover springs and presumably an alignment, with a 1 lb driver, I get 71.8 for the FR-S.

    I went to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whGU7NY3Gsk

    That one has Dave lapping TMP in the Evo X MR.

    Doing the same for a stock 2011 Evo X MR, 1 lb driver weight, 0 points since stock car, I get 72.7 for the Evo X MR. Dave sets a lap time of 1:22.99. The Evo X MR has almost 1 PI more than the FR-S, but laps a tenth slower.

    Just curious what the Evo X MR would be if the HI was 65? 71.2 PI? If so, that's not within the realm of possibility.
    The FRS was running on AD08Rs which are considered "track tires" or "extreme performance summers" similar to say RS4s or RE71Rs and since it was AutoGuide who acquired the Evo X and reviewed it, it was likely press spec which means it came with whatever the showroom puts on (read: summer tires at best). So not surprised the FRS beats the Evo. Seems reasonable to me?

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  • souledge
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    I came across this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlwAIb4Zz9Y

    It shows Dave Pratte doing 1:22.89 in a modded FR-S. When I put the FR-S in the CCDB, 2013, add points for ECU tune, coilover shocks, coilover springs and presumably an alignment, with a 1 lb driver, I get 71.8 for the FR-S.

    I went to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whGU7NY3Gsk

    That one has Dave lapping TMP in the Evo X MR.

    Doing the same for a stock 2011 Evo X MR, 1 lb driver weight, 0 points since stock car, I get 72.7 for the Evo X MR. Dave sets a lap time of 1:22.99. The Evo X MR has almost 1 PI more than the FR-S, but laps a tenth slower.

    Just curious what the Evo X MR would be if the HI was 65? 71.2 PI? If so, that's not within the realm of possibility.

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  • LemonJus
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    Originally posted by souledge View Post
    I sent this in an e-mail but didn't see a response, so I'll try here as well.

    Can I ask for a reclassification on the Evo X? 65 for the GSR and 70
    for the MR seems overly punitive for a car that really isn't that fast
    in the corners. 60 for the GSR, 65 for the MR seems like a more
    appropriate classification.
    Hi Souledge,

    Tough to find track data on the Evo X GSR but here's what I've dug up so far:

    https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ancer-evo-gsr/
    They compare the 2011 Nissan 370Z against the 2011 Mitsubishi Evo GSR and the Evo beats out the 370Z on track time by just 0.8s. The 370Z classes higher than the GSR but within the same class (74.2 vs 72.7 respectively).

    https://www.motortrend.com/cars/mits...i-evolution-x/
    2008 Evo GSR vs 2008 WRX STi. Evo wins at Buttonwillow Raceway East loop by 1s on same driver. STi classes at 72.6 versus GSR at 71.8 overall.

    Do you have any data to show the GSR classing is off relative to something in its class? We've been using public data from magazines and such for this.

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  • souledge
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    I sent this in an e-mail but didn't see a response, so I'll try here as well.

    Can I ask for a reclassification on the Evo X? 65 for the GSR and 70
    for the MR seems overly punitive for a car that really isn't that fast
    in the corners. 60 for the GSR, 65 for the MR seems like a more
    appropriate classification.

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