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  • #16
    Re: Another new commer

    That is correct since the V710's (and the Avon Tech R for that matter - thanks for catching that one Frank) have 2 grooves they are not considered slicks.

    Just a quick look at the CCDB and it looks like you might be in SGT3 or SGT2. Using the 2000 Contour SVT as the base vehicle rated at 200hp from the factory here is an ESTIMATE of the classification of your car based on PIPs alone assuming that all your mods are listed and that I understand their purpose (e.g. I took SCT Xcal2 Tuning to mean the ECU is chipped).


    Starting PI: 62.4 (PI = performance index of base car)
    Starting Class: GT4 (2000 Contour SVT without mods)
    ePIPs: 8 (engine PIPs)
    Factored sPIPs: 9.5 (suspension PIPs factored to base handling index of 50)
    Factored bPIPs: 0.6 or 2.4 (interior/exterior PIPs factored to the power to weight ratio - e.g. 6 pt rollbar, race seats, front light mod)
    oPIPs: 3.5 (current mods) or 4.5 (all mods) (splitter, lightened flywheel, torsen diff, final drive)
    Total PIPs: 21.6 (current mods) or 24.4 (all mods)
    Final PI: 84.0 (current mods) or 86.8 (all mods)
    Final Class: SGT3 (current mods) or SGT2 (all mods)

    With your current setup if you choose to run non-uber tires such as Toyo RA1s or R888s you would drop one class to GT1 (or SGT3) and running street tires would drop you two classes to GT2 (or GT1).

    As Dave said getting some dyno time and weighing the car might yield a better class for your car than using PIPs alone.

    Note: I made the assumptions the SVT Cams are stock but the SPEC flywheel and Clutch are aftermarket and 3L oval port is a port and polishing of the heads.

    Cheers!
    Last edited by Carguy; 03-02-2011, 05:12 PM. Reason: assumptions added
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    • #17
      Re: Another new commer

      Good post Pierre.

      And Mani, the V710 is a much better tire than the Avon. I've never had the V710, but I have had the Avon.
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      • #18
        Re: Another new commer

        Originally posted by Carguy View Post
        That is correct since the V710's (and the Avon Tech R for that matter - thanks for catching that one Frank) have 2 grooves they are not considered slicks.

        Just a quick look at the CCDB and it looks like you might be in SGT3 or SGT2. Using the 2000 Contour SVT as the base vehicle rated at 200hp from the factory here is an ESTIMATE of the classification of your car based on PIPs alone assuming that all your mods are listed and that I understand their purpose (e.g. I took SCT Xcal2 Tuning to mean the ECU is chipped).


        Starting PI: 62.4 (PI = performance index of base car)
        Starting Class: GT4 (2000 Contour SVT without mods)
        ePIPs: 8 (engine PIPs)
        Factored sPIPs: 9.5 (suspension PIPs factored to base handling index of 50)
        Factored bPIPs: 0.6 or 2.4 (interior/exterior PIPs factored to the power to weight ratio - e.g. 6 pt rollbar, race seats, front light mod)
        oPIPs: 3.5 (current mods) or 4.5 (all mods) (splitter, lightened flywheel, torsen diff, final drive)
        Total PIPs: 21.6 (current mods) or 24.4 (all mods)
        Final PI: 84.0 (current mods) or 86.8 (all mods)
        Final Class: SGT3 (current mods) or SGT2 (all mods)

        With your current setup if you choose to run non-uber tires such as Toyo RA1s or R888s you would drop one class to GT1 (or SGT3) and running street tires would drop you two classes to GT2 (or GT1).

        As Dave said getting some dyno time and weighing the car might yield a better class for your car than using PIPs alone.

        Note: I made the assumptions the SVT Cams are stock but the SPEC flywheel and Clutch are aftermarket and 3L oval port is a port and polishing of the heads.

        Cheers!
        Holy crap, you did all the work for me!

        The car is a 1999, stock power was lower in 1999, rated at 195.

        The SVT cams are stock, how ever the car comes 2.5L in displacement, and the displacement is now 3L. Had an engine transplant from a 3L Ford Escape, and the heads are stock ford escape heads as well, just with svt cams. Since it has a swap, does it matter what the stock power rating was?

        The car is going to be dyno tuned as soon as the weather is nice and I take the car back out on the road. The weight of the car, is it with driver or without driver? Weighing the car is the easiest part.

        What are the cars which are running on SGT2 and SGT3?

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        • #19
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          Originally posted by ManimillioN View Post
          Holy crap, you did all the work for me!

          The car is a 1999, stock power was lower in 1999, rated at 195.

          The SVT cams are stock, how ever the car comes 2.5L in displacement, and the displacement is now 3L. Had an engine transplant from a 3L Ford Escape, and the heads are stock ford escape heads as well, just with svt cams. Since it has a swap, does it matter what the stock power rating was?

          The car is going to be dyno tuned as soon as the weather is nice and I take the car back out on the road. The weight of the car, is it with driver or without driver? Weighing the car is the easiest part.

          What are the cars which are running on SGT2 and SGT3?
          It's a damn good thing our overly complex car classification accounts for engine swaps and dynos . Have you been to our classifcation website to enter in your detaisl and spit out the class? ccdb.soloontario.com
          You can choose to do swap, or if you have more than 12 engine PIPs you can submit a dyno as well. If you choose swap, then the modifications will be based on the 3L stock rated hp+whatever engine PIPs. Read over 5.0G and 5.0H to see how the swaps and dyno classification rules work...and make sure your car can meet those requirements or it may be subject to additional PIPs (e.g. if the transmission is not what the 3L came with you may need to take the PIPs for changed gears -5.1A1.1).

          As for measuring weights, read section 5.1D in the rule book to see how race weight is defined. Basically, it's full fluids, no driver.

          As for SGT2 and 3 cars, it can be quite a mix depending on what class of tires people use. Our series has alot of vettes, f-bodies, subaru WRXs and a civic that run in those classes.

          Will Chan

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          • #20
            Re: Another new commer

            Originally posted by ManimillioN View Post
            Holy crap, you did all the work for me!
            Naw, the CCDB does all the work!
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